Senate impeachment Q&A continues. Republicans lay the groundwork for cover-up: Live coverage #5

Thursday is the second day of questions from senators to the House impeachment managers and Donald Trump’s defense lawyers. Questions are submitted in writing to be read by Chief Justice John Roberts, with questions alternating between Republican and Democratic senators and answers generally limited to five minutes.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:58:55 AM +00:00 · Barbara Morrill

Ongoing coverage can be found here.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 12:39:59 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

And we’re back. Grassley follows right on the heels of the Alexander question in giving the Trump team another chance to rant about how the impeachment is nothing more than partisan hatred for Trump. Philbin is taking it, and will kick that can well enough, but I’m surprised this was not a clarion call that summoned Sekulow from the Conspiracy Cave.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 12:42:47 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

If you are just now coming back from dinner and missed Philbin’s response, don’t worry. Not one word of it was new.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 12:47:51 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

VanHollen teams with Klobuchar asks why Team Trump is opposed to letting the Chief Justice say if a proposed witness is relevant, with the Senate having a deciding vote. 

Sekulow says, uh, you know, no. We’re not willing to go with it. The reason here is clear enough—the big club of “We Will Eat Your Time Forever” would taken off the table, and that’s their best weapon to fend off all witnesses.

Schiff defends the constitutionality of the proposed process. Restates that he trusts Roberts to make a ruling on a witnesses as to whether they are there as relevant witnesses, or are just present for retribution. Schiff says it’s not that they don’t think Roberts would be fair, it’s that they “fear he would be fair.” Ties this refusal to the fact that they won’t produce documents or witnesses.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 12:50:58 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Here’s comes another Cruz-missile of smeardom. And frrracckkk we’re not talking about John Kerry’s step-son and someone else, and Burisma, and who the hell cares about this? I can only assume there’s a big “Q” on this somewhere.

Schiff: “The issue is not whether Hunter Biden should or should not have sat on that board.” Points out that Trump doesn’t give a flying fig about how much money Hunter Biden made — and neither does Cruz. It’s all about trying to imply that Joe Biden did something wrong, when what he did was with the cooperation and understanding of not just our allies, but Republican senators.”

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 12:53:28 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

I would pay to watch Ted Cruz and Adam Schiff debate. Cruz smugly thinks that ten minutes of browsing Breitbart gives him all the conspiracy fuel he needs to launch these attacks. Schiff burns him down in seconds.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 12:58:38 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Hakeem Jeffries comes up to take a question about the recent information released on Trump’s actions related to Turkey, looking toward a pattern of behavior. Jeffries moves the topic back to Ukraine, and stays pinned to the subject of corruption. 

Jeffries is doing a sound job, and once again making it clear that Ukraine had already met the corruption challenges that were required in the legislation. But there’s not a lot new to investigate here, and from the way the question was asked, it didn’t seem to suggest they had some new point to illuminate.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:04:58 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Schiff gets a question on why the House “didn’t choose to enforce” subpoenas. He walks through the case with Kupperman, showing that they did request his appearance, then issue a subpoena, then engage in arbitration repeatedly. And the basis for the refusal to obey the subpoena was the same as the McGahn subpoena already being litigated. A reasonable question and a calm response. 

Not clear if it was seriously asked, or if Republicans are just burning time.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:09:25 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

(Sorry, had some fuzz in my feed there and missed part of the question) but the question is about the importance of protecting whistleblower.

Schiff talks to the importance of protecting a whistleblower in the intelligence community, explaining that they cannot go public, and that without them there is no check on misinformation related to intelligence. Talks about the threats Trump has made both directly against the whistleblower, and to others like Marie Yovanovitch. Without a mechanism to protect whistleblowers reporting wrongdoing, wrongdoing will increase. 

Schiff points at Grassley and Burr as “great champions” of whistleblowers.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:12:45 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Blunt and Hawley team up for something likely to be a slam dunk for Team Trump … sure enough, Blunt — whose entire family are lobbyists — sets Trump’s attorneys up to talk about Trump’s heavy duty commitment to making sure taxpayer dollars are “used wisely.”

That’s how we got to a trillion dollar debt this year. All that careful bookkeeping. Cipollone talking about how money to Ukraine should be going to the pockets of American billionairs … oh, wait. Maybe he said highways?

Is it infrastructure week again?

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:13:55 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Team Trump making a ringing call for following precedent and having one standard ... which doesn't include the witnesses that were critical to every other impeachment.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:15:19 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

King asks Trump’s attorneys if it would be okay for Trump to withhold Israel aid until the prime minister comes and fingers Biden as anti-Semitic.

Which is a ridiculous question. Bibi will do that for free.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:16:41 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Philbin isn’t actually going to answer that question, by the way. Except to leave if hanging that they won’t condemn the idea.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:24:05 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Murkowski sending along a question. This might hint at her conversation with Lamar! Her question goes to the statements from Sondland and Johnson on “no quid pro quo” which is in conflict with Bolton. She asks directly “why should this body not call Bolton?”

Philbin starts off with the “the House didn’t,” and the claim that it would set a precedent for the Senate to call witnesses not heard by the House. Which already is the precedent. In every case. Philbin is sticking to the “the House should have done if for you” part of this for a long time. Philbin tries to push the idea that the entire chamber of the Senate has to sit for testimony — which isn’t true, and wasn’t true for the Clinton impeachment. That’s a pretty light use of the We Will Kill Your Schedule hammer I expected. 

That question probably means that Murkowski has made up her mind and will announce some “well, I was convinced by...” But it’s uncertain which side she will fall on.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:27:45 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Whitehouse, et al bring the question back to King’s Israel hypothetical, with Schiff also getting a swing at it. And gives another good possibility related to Turkey and Trump’s ability to show preference to countries where he has property.

Philbin … slowly, grudgingly admits that if Trump forced a foreign leader to come to the United States and lie “that would be wrong.” But holy hell, he still will not say it’s impeachable. That’s genuinely incredible.

Instead, Philbin pivots to attacking Bolton’s book. That was kind of jaw-dropping.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:32:47 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

A question about claims from Shokin made in a Washington Post last June that he was going to investigate Burisma—which ignores that Shokin reversed himself days later in an interview with Bloomberg and admitted that he only made those claims to ingratiate himself with Trump and Giuliani.

The reason that WP article came up at all was because Rudy Giuliani brought that information to the Post. Giuliani was directly responsible for the article that was cited in that question. Neither the WP or the NYT actually followed up on the articles Rudy brought them by going to Ukraine  and asking hard questions. Bloomberg did.

Shokin not only retracted, he has spoken of it in other articles since that point. To get that claim, they have to take a specific article and ignore all others.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:39:52 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

A question from Peters and Cornyn … a strange pairing. Question on how the verdict will change the balance of powers.

Cipollone stands up to say, of course, that acquittal would be great. Super great. And because it’s Cipollone, there’s mention of tearing up ballots, votes, etc. Oh, and Cipollone now turns on the deal Schiff proposed for the trial and says it would screw with executive privilege. Cipollone challenges Schiff over speech and debate rules — stay tuned.

Schiff says he trusts Roberts to make the right decision. Also points out that depositions were taken with just a couple of senators during Clinton impeachment. 

Schiff says if the White House is allowed to determine which subpoenas are valid or invalid, oversight power is “eviscerated.” An acquittal also means buying Trump’s theory of the case, which gives him essentially unlimited power. Roberts cuts him off just when he was ramping up. Drats.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:40:33 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

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Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:44:20 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Schiff knocks back a claim that Trump is being impeached because he’s ignoring the advice of his advisers. Says that Trump is certainly allowed to disagree with advice, even good advice. Trump is being impeached for acting with a corrupt motive.

Philbin then simply ignores what Schiff just said, tosses a snide remark Schiff’s way, and says that it would have damaged the separation of powers if Trump had given the House what they asked for. Except that’s exactly what both Nixon and Clinton did.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:45:26 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

By the way, Trump legal dudes ... sitting in the Senate and warning them that they might destroy executive privilege isn't a threat. It's an appetizer.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:50:58 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Question to Trump’s team on holding up until the McGahn case is settled, which Trump’s team pretended was moving “swiftly” just yesterday. Now Philbin is aghast at the idea, says McGahn will certainly go to the Supreme Court, there’s no way to wait, Trump deserves to have this over with … that McGahn case could be “hanging over the country for months on end.” Which only shows that Trump’s White House is arguing that they were never going to be answerable in the House.

Schiff shows that the ruling in McGahn against absolute immunity only repeats past rulings … and then the DOJ is arguing that the subpoena can’t be enforced. He agrees with Philbin that it’s headed for the Supreme Court. Again offers to hand the decision to Roberts.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:56:44 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Scott, Hawley, et. al. have a question about … Benghazi! Though it’s hard as hell to know which Benghazi they’re talking about, since there were eight separate Benghazi investigations.

And because we have Sekulow up there, we’re also getting “fast and furious” … where Obama turned over 90,000 pages of documents before going to court over issues of sources and techniques. 

Sekulow is terribly frightened by the idea that the Senate may take Schiff up on his deal. That’s good to see.

Friday, Jan 31, 2020 · 1:57:34 AM +00:00 · Mark Sumner

Flipside of the softball that the Trump team got a few minutes ago, now the House team gets to address the consequences of acquitting Trump when it comes to intelligence issues.

Trump, at Iowa rally, taunts Dems before caucuses: ‘We’re beating them all’

President Trump is headlining a major rally in Iowa Thursday night on the eve of key Senate impeachment action and just days before the nation’s first presidential caucuses there.

No Joint Investigation of Yovanovitch Surveillance, Says Ukraine Prosecutor

No Joint Investigation of Yovanovitch Surveillance, Says Ukraine ProsecutorKYIV—Many Ukrainians—especially those in the government— were nervous on Thursday as they awaited the arrival of U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the first high-ranking U.S. government official to visit since the infamous phone conversation last July between Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky and President Donald Trump.Pompeo’s Ukraine Trip Hasn’t Begun, but It’s Already UglyAs the impeachment storm that grew out of that phone call continues to swirl around Trump, Kyiv fears that Ukraine will be dragged even deeper into the maelstrom, weakening its defenses against Russia, and perhaps undermining the fight against pervasive corruption.While on the surface, official Washington policy is supportive of Ukraine in both those efforts, Trump has tried to equate the struggle against corruption with his explicit desire, expressed in that July 25 phone call (PDF), to have investigations focus attention on his political rival Joe Biden and various conspiracy theories pushed by Russian propaganda. As he was promoting that narrow program, he also withheld vitally needed military aid from Ukraine. Led by Trump’s personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, several Ukrainians out to curry favor with the U.S. president and undermine their own rivals here helped promote Trump’s pet theories. They also worked successfully to get veteran U.S. Amb. Marie Yovanovitch removed from her post and may have tried to put her under surveillance.Lev Parnas Reveals Why He Turned on TrumpworldSo perhaps it’s not surprising that as Pompeo’s arrival was awaited, some of the messaging coming out of Kyiv sounded confusing. When the issue of illegal surveillance targeting Yovanovitch first surfaced earlier this month, Ukraine’s interior minister announced there would be a joint investigation by Ukrainian investigators and the U.S. Diplomatic Security Service at the embassy here. But on Thursday morning, Gen. Ruslan Ryaboshapka, Ukraine's prosecutor general, said there is no joint group with the U.S. embassy, and probably there never will be.Ryaboshapka told Ukrainian Interfax news agency that U.S. security specialists are in Ukraine to investigate the surveillance, but the American side “has no intention” of participating in a joint effort. Why make such an announcement on the day Pompeo arrives? “This message is confusing, it might mean only one thing: Ryaboshapka, who is a Zelensky appointee, intends to show Washington that Ukraine is doing its best to distance itself from the impeachment process,” says Taras Semenyuk of the KyivStratPro consultancy firm. “Zelensky and his conversation with Trump was the trigger of the entire impeachment process, then we heard about the surveillance over U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch on the territory of Ukraine, so currently our leadership are doing their best to stay away from the U.S. internal political tensions.”Pompeo, speaking to reporters en route to his previous stop in London, sidestepped the problematic Trump demand that Ukraine specifically investigate Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company.“I don’t want to talk about particular individuals,” Pompeo said. “It’s not worth it. It’s a long list in Ukraine of corrupt individuals and a long history there. And President Zelensky has told us he’s committed to it. The actions he’s taken so far demonstrate that, and I look forward to having a conversation about that with him as well.”Pompeo suggested Ukraine corruption has been a big issue for him in his role as secretary of state and, before that, as CIA director, “developing the facts and data” about corruption in Ukraine’s government and private sector. But Ukrainians who knew Yovanovitch as a dedicated corruption fighter saw her removal as a bad sign, and her testimony at the House impeachment hearings, along with that of several other top U.S. government experts on Ukraine, did nothing to reassure them.So it is now more important for Kyiv than ever to see that Washington is actually serious about supporting Ukraine’s vital reforms. According to the U.S. State Department’s announcement, Pompeo is planning to demonstrate that the U.S. government cares about peace in Ukraine and  “highlight U.S. support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity” at his meetings with Zelensky as well as with the foreign minister and defense minister.Pompeo is also planning to lay flowers at the memorial to thousands of Ukrainian soldiers killed in the now almost six-year war with pro-Russian forces in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. The memorial, just outside the gold-domed St. Michael Monastery in the heart of Kyiv, is a long wall with thousands of young faces: Ukrainian men and women killed in eastern Ukraine. Pompeo will also meet with religious, civic society, and business leaders.Novoye Vremya magazine, one of the news outlets closely covering Washington’s impeachment scandals, referred to the visit as the Day of Pompeo. “The Secretary of State is coming to make sure there will be no bad surprises from Zelensky during Trump’s trial at the Senate,” Novoye Vremya political observer, Ivan Yakovina, told The Daily Beast. “If we hear today or tomorrow that Ukraine is going to get more military aid, that would mean that Pompeo and Zelensky have come to a mutual agreement.”Olena Trigub, leader of the independent Defense Anti-Corruption Committee, NAKO, says she looks forward to passing an important message to Washington at the meeting with the Pompeo and Ukrainian civic society leaders. “We don’t dismiss the fact that there is corruption in Ukraine but in spite of the impeachment scandal involving some Ukrainian citizens, we believe that the U.S. government should recognize and support Ukrainian anti-corruption efforts,” Trigub told The Daily Beast. NAKO has focused particularly on the Ukraine Defense Ministry’s procurement system, and concludes that out of some $1 billion  allocated to procurements, up to 40 percent has been lost to corruption and inefficiency.“The average percentage we hear most often is 30 percent,” Trigub said. “The Ukrainian government is now demonstrating the political will to clean up the defense sector—currently, two new bills are being developed on defense procurement and on state secrecy.” Ukraine’s civic leaders hope Washington will demonstrate strong support for what they see as Zelensky’s game-changing reforms in the defense sector. “Despite the political will, we see that reformers in the government and in civil society lack the capacity and the support of Ukraine's international partners, such as the USA. It is needed badly at this important time.”Read more at The Daily Beast.Get our top stories in your inbox every day. Sign up now!Daily Beast Membership: Beast Inside goes deeper on the stories that matter to you. Learn more.


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Popular Georgia minister jumps into U.S. Senate race with huge endorsement from Stacey Abrams

When former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams backs someone for office, that candidate is worth a look. That certainly is the case for the Rev. Raphael Warnock, the senior pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church, where Martin Luther King Jr. once presided over the pulpit. Abrams announced Thursday she is endorsing Warnock in the race against incumbent U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler and conservative Rep. Doug Collins, who also recently announced the launch of his campaign. Abrams pushed for supporters to donate to the pastor’s campaign on Twitter, and called Warnock a “true ally in our fight for justice.” “That’s why I'm proud to endorse him for U.S. Senate here in GA,” she said.

Warnock announced the launch of his campaign Thursday with a video describing an inherited work ethic that took him from a Savannah public housing project to leading the congregation of Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church. "I had 11 sisters and brothers. We were short on money but long on love and faith," Warnock said. "Our parents taught us the value of hard work." The son of a mother who picked cotton and a father who was a veteran, small-business owner, and preacher, Warnock said simply that he loves his country and has always envisioned a path “to make it greater.”

"Somebody asked why a pastor thinks he should serve in the Senate. Well, I've committed my whole life to service and helping people realize their highest potential," Warnock said in his campaign video. "I've always thought that my impact doesn't stop at the church door. That's actually where it starts." In his campaign announcement, the senior pastor advocated for families who can't afford to pay for treatment for their medical diagnosis, for workers who are underpaid and pushed aside for the likes of  Wall Street, and for struggling families in general. "Like my father used to tell me every morning: Whatever it is, be ready," Warnock said. "And I think Georgia is ready."

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